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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My application for citizenship went in from Ottawa back in January of this year (2010). The latest update is that they&#039;re apparently looking at applications from October 2009. So it&#039;s been about 8 months for me and it doesn&#039;t sound as though it&#039;ll be anytime soon. I guess at this point I&#039;m just hoping for a positive outcome!

Anyone else have word on their application?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My application for citizenship went in from Ottawa back in January of this year (2010). The latest update is that they&#8217;re apparently looking at applications from October 2009. So it&#8217;s been about 8 months for me and it doesn&#8217;t sound as though it&#8217;ll be anytime soon. I guess at this point I&#8217;m just hoping for a positive outcome!</p>
<p>Anyone else have word on their application?</p>
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		<title>By: kestas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kestas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted my application 6 weeks ago. getting through all the barriers put up by the Lith Consulate officials was made easier by the info on this site. The guys at the consulate are happy to help as long as you have the necessary information and that you are following the laws laid down. 
The recent amendments do not appear to change the crucial one which applies to Dual citizenship,i.e.  Article 17 section 3. (1) about dual citizenship is still there. 

Any request is based upon your traceable ancestor having lived and been born in LT before 1940 and then left after 15 June 1940 and March 1990 and you can prove this. Any other dates render your application a single citizenship application which means you MUST renounce your other citizenship. That is my understanding at this moment.
Good Luck to all who try.
Oh and smart move Moacir, in applying for you Passport at he same time as your citizenship. 
Sekmes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted my application 6 weeks ago. getting through all the barriers put up by the Lith Consulate officials was made easier by the info on this site. The guys at the consulate are happy to help as long as you have the necessary information and that you are following the laws laid down.<br />
The recent amendments do not appear to change the crucial one which applies to Dual citizenship,i.e.  Article 17 section 3. (1) about dual citizenship is still there. </p>
<p>Any request is based upon your traceable ancestor having lived and been born in LT before 1940 and then left after 15 June 1940 and March 1990 and you can prove this. Any other dates render your application a single citizenship application which means you MUST renounce your other citizenship. That is my understanding at this moment.<br />
Good Luck to all who try.<br />
Oh and smart move Moacir, in applying for you Passport at he same time as your citizenship.<br />
Sekmes</p>
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		<title>By: Dual Citizenship law hangs around Seimas, picks up Russian / Belarusian exemptions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dual Citizenship law hangs around Seimas, picks up Russian / Belarusian exemptions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will be entitled to dual citizenship under all the old criteria, plus those who left Lithuania after 1991 and obtained citizenship in an EU or NATO [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will be entitled to dual citizenship under all the old criteria, plus those who left Lithuania after 1991 and obtained citizenship in an EU or NATO [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J Myszkus</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Myszkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Thank you for your excellent website.

My great grandparents immigrated to the US from Lithuania in the 1890&#039;s.  Their Ellis Island records, along with those of their brothers and sisters who immigrated, indicate that they immigrated from Russia, but indicate that they were all born in what is now Lithuania.  Some records indicate that they are Lithuanian-Russian, some indicate German-Russian, etc.  It is clear that they where born in what is now Lithuania, but they were evidently ethnic Germans, as they associated with the German and German-Lithuanian community in the US.  I do know that my g-grandfather spoke Lithuanian for what it is worth.

To anyone&#039; knowledge, does ethnic origin within Lithuania determine whether one will be granted citizenship?  I don&#039;t know if my family names are common in Lithuania, they seem German/Polish although they are names I&#039;ve seen from immigrants all throughout eastern europe.

Thanks for any input, Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Thank you for your excellent website.</p>
<p>My great grandparents immigrated to the US from Lithuania in the 1890&#8242;s.  Their Ellis Island records, along with those of their brothers and sisters who immigrated, indicate that they immigrated from Russia, but indicate that they were all born in what is now Lithuania.  Some records indicate that they are Lithuanian-Russian, some indicate German-Russian, etc.  It is clear that they where born in what is now Lithuania, but they were evidently ethnic Germans, as they associated with the German and German-Lithuanian community in the US.  I do know that my g-grandfather spoke Lithuanian for what it is worth.</p>
<p>To anyone&#8217; knowledge, does ethnic origin within Lithuania determine whether one will be granted citizenship?  I don&#8217;t know if my family names are common in Lithuania, they seem German/Polish although they are names I&#8217;ve seen from immigrants all throughout eastern europe.</p>
<p>Thanks for any input, Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Moacir P. de Sá Pereira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moacir P. de Sá Pereira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 17:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent news, and good to know about the ITS, though Ii wonder who exactly the apostille-granting entity is. Germany?

Also, it&#039;s not the Consulate that makes the final decision, so they can&#039;t really dictate what they will or will not accept. They can just warn that certain things might run into trouble down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent news, and good to know about the ITS, though Ii wonder who exactly the apostille-granting entity is. Germany?</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not the Consulate that makes the final decision, so they can&#8217;t really dictate what they will or will not accept. They can just warn that certain things might run into trouble down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 13:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your very helpful series.  I studied it over a number of months and coordinated the efforts for submitting for dual citizenship for myself, my sister, and our mother.  Your information was very helpful and succinct.

The consulate in NYC seemed reluctant to accept documents of ITS without an Apostille attached to them and refused to do so.  Fortunately, the documents I received from the Lithuanian Archives sufficiently proved citizenship prior to 1940 and departure after (my mother was born in Lithuania in 1942.

Another issue that we encountered, and one which we are still waiting to learn if it will ultimately be problematic, is the variations and westernizations of my mothers names.  My grandfather&#039;s last name is Jasinskas, and my mother&#039;s last name on her birth certificate is Jasinskaite.  When they settled in the west, as is the custom, my mother&#039;s documents took on the last name of her father.  Thus, she began using Jasinskas.  However, there is no formal documentation of a change.  To make matters more complicated, subsequent legal documents (my mother&#039;s marriage license, and my birth certificate) show her second name from her Lithuanian birth certificate, Jurate, which she was always called by and thus began to use officially.  Again, there is no official record of legal name change.

Hopefully, given all of the original documentation that I was able to provide, they will accept the proof of descent from my grandfather that I was able to provide.  We just submitted at the beginning of May and I&#039;m informed to expect a processing time well in excess of 6 months, and possible a year, before receiving a response.

In any case, I wanted to thank you for the wonderful gift you have provided by documenting your path for us.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your very helpful series.  I studied it over a number of months and coordinated the efforts for submitting for dual citizenship for myself, my sister, and our mother.  Your information was very helpful and succinct.</p>
<p>The consulate in NYC seemed reluctant to accept documents of ITS without an Apostille attached to them and refused to do so.  Fortunately, the documents I received from the Lithuanian Archives sufficiently proved citizenship prior to 1940 and departure after (my mother was born in Lithuania in 1942.</p>
<p>Another issue that we encountered, and one which we are still waiting to learn if it will ultimately be problematic, is the variations and westernizations of my mothers names.  My grandfather&#8217;s last name is Jasinskas, and my mother&#8217;s last name on her birth certificate is Jasinskaite.  When they settled in the west, as is the custom, my mother&#8217;s documents took on the last name of her father.  Thus, she began using Jasinskas.  However, there is no formal documentation of a change.  To make matters more complicated, subsequent legal documents (my mother&#8217;s marriage license, and my birth certificate) show her second name from her Lithuanian birth certificate, Jurate, which she was always called by and thus began to use officially.  Again, there is no official record of legal name change.</p>
<p>Hopefully, given all of the original documentation that I was able to provide, they will accept the proof of descent from my grandfather that I was able to provide.  We just submitted at the beginning of May and I&#8217;m informed to expect a processing time well in excess of 6 months, and possible a year, before receiving a response.</p>
<p>In any case, I wanted to thank you for the wonderful gift you have provided by documenting your path for us.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: kestas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kestas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sveiki Moacir
I see the loophole in the Semas website &#039;Lietuvos Respblikos Pilietybes Istatimo pakeitimo Istatymas. (The Law on citizenship) this is the real deal not the para-phrased version that appears on official webites from Vilnius and London etc.
it clearly states in article 17 .3. (1)
&quot;1) that persons who held citizenship prior to 15 June 1940,  their children,grandchildren, and great-grandchildren who are residing in other states&quot; .(they qualify right!)
persons in this category shall implement the right to citizenship of the Republic of Lithuania after they renounce the held citizenship of another state. The condition SHALL NOT APPLY TO: ( THESE ARE THE KEY WORDS)
2) persons who held citizenship prior to 15 June 1940,  who left to reside in other states during the occupations of 15 June 1940 and 11 March 1990, their children,grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of these persons.
Iki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sveiki Moacir<br />
I see the loophole in the Semas website &#8216;Lietuvos Respblikos Pilietybes Istatimo pakeitimo Istatymas. (The Law on citizenship) this is the real deal not the para-phrased version that appears on official webites from Vilnius and London etc.<br />
it clearly states in article 17 .3. (1)<br />
&#8220;1) that persons who held citizenship prior to 15 June 1940,  their children,grandchildren, and great-grandchildren who are residing in other states&#8221; .(they qualify right!)<br />
persons in this category shall implement the right to citizenship of the Republic of Lithuania after they renounce the held citizenship of another state. The condition SHALL NOT APPLY TO: ( THESE ARE THE KEY WORDS)<br />
2) persons who held citizenship prior to 15 June 1940,  who left to reside in other states during the occupations of 15 June 1940 and 11 March 1990, their children,grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of these persons.<br />
Iki</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Is it absolutely imperative that the relative left Lithuania to qualify as a Citizen 0? Basically my father is estranged for 20 years now, he lives in Lithuania, and I was told that his father (my grandfather) lived in Lithuania prior to 1940. But I assume that, like my father, he also lived his whole life in Lithuania and never immigrated (my mother&#039;s side of the family is Jewish, but my father&#039;s is not). My mother is not from Lithuania, but I was born there and we both had passports which I suppose technically, like you say, makes us both still Lithuanian citizens despite now being naturalized in the US. However, my mother&#039;s Lithuanian passport expired last year and I only ever had a child&#039;s passport which expired many years ago. Anyway, unfortunately in beauracratics, details like this are of no importance so the most important issue is whether it&#039;s possible to obtain dual citizenship if the relative never immigrated out of lithuania?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Is it absolutely imperative that the relative left Lithuania to qualify as a Citizen 0? Basically my father is estranged for 20 years now, he lives in Lithuania, and I was told that his father (my grandfather) lived in Lithuania prior to 1940. But I assume that, like my father, he also lived his whole life in Lithuania and never immigrated (my mother&#8217;s side of the family is Jewish, but my father&#8217;s is not). My mother is not from Lithuania, but I was born there and we both had passports which I suppose technically, like you say, makes us both still Lithuanian citizens despite now being naturalized in the US. However, my mother&#8217;s Lithuanian passport expired last year and I only ever had a child&#8217;s passport which expired many years ago. Anyway, unfortunately in beauracratics, details like this are of no importance so the most important issue is whether it&#8217;s possible to obtain dual citizenship if the relative never immigrated out of lithuania?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Moacir P. de Sá Pereira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moacir P. de Sá Pereira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kestai, I would recommend that you do a search for &quot;loophole&quot; on this site. I don&#039;t describe the legal basis in this post, but I do elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kestai, I would recommend that you do a search for &#8220;loophole&#8221; on this site. I don&#8217;t describe the legal basis in this post, but I do elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: kestas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kestas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I am on this journey and finsd some conflicting information of Lithuanian Embassy and American Lithuanian Embassy sites. It clearly states that 
&quot;The court stated that the provision saying that a person willing to get Lithuanian citizenship back did not have to renounce another country&#039;s citizenship contravened the Constitution as well. Therefore persons, restoring  or applying for the citizenship of Lithuania as of 16th of November, 2006, must renounce their current citizeship after it will be stated that he or she is eligible and can become a Lithuanian citizen. Those who are willing to apply may do so according to the established procedure. After analyzing the application the person will be informed if s/he is eligible to become a Lithuanian citizen. Person, willing to obtain Lithuanian citizenship and a passport, will then have to renounce his or her current citizenship and prove this fact to the Lithuanian migration authorities. This is valid till stated otherwise&quot;. 
My question is how does one get around this significant issue your very informative site seems to not have this as an issue, it seems to be the biggest issue. If you look at the yearbook on emigration on official LT site no new citizenships were granted to people from the 1st world in the last 3 years i.e. people did not give up their citizenship of the US  UK, Canada etc.  Just what is this loophole that gets dual citizenship and where is the legal information to support it. you clearly have had success.  Aciu Kestas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I am on this journey and finsd some conflicting information of Lithuanian Embassy and American Lithuanian Embassy sites. It clearly states that<br />
&#8220;The court stated that the provision saying that a person willing to get Lithuanian citizenship back did not have to renounce another country&#8217;s citizenship contravened the Constitution as well. Therefore persons, restoring  or applying for the citizenship of Lithuania as of 16th of November, 2006, must renounce their current citizeship after it will be stated that he or she is eligible and can become a Lithuanian citizen. Those who are willing to apply may do so according to the established procedure. After analyzing the application the person will be informed if s/he is eligible to become a Lithuanian citizen. Person, willing to obtain Lithuanian citizenship and a passport, will then have to renounce his or her current citizenship and prove this fact to the Lithuanian migration authorities. This is valid till stated otherwise&#8221;.<br />
My question is how does one get around this significant issue your very informative site seems to not have this as an issue, it seems to be the biggest issue. If you look at the yearbook on emigration on official LT site no new citizenships were granted to people from the 1st world in the last 3 years i.e. people did not give up their citizenship of the US  UK, Canada etc.  Just what is this loophole that gets dual citizenship and where is the legal information to support it. you clearly have had success.  Aciu Kestas</p>
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